We are still waiting to get our hands on one of these, but this is the actual full on TV guide magazine that has the season finale synopsis in it. Apparently these release officially on Thursday, so we should be flooded with confirmations tomorrow if everyone looks good. I know sections all over reddit and other boards are going full on Sherlock Holmes on the picture from yesterday, so maybe this will give you a bit more to chew on!
Now, assuming it is real, and you read the big reveal yesterday, what do you think of it a day later?
Note: Seems like comments died on the last one for some unknown reason. Looking into that! Have a new one.
173 comments:
Good to know! :D
ReplyDeleteweird but ok.
ReplyDeleteCool, does this mean I can make my valid points all over again?
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ReplyDeleteIt seems....
ReplyDeleteNice.
It seems....
ReplyDeleteNice.
I think there's a number of reasonable reasons why everyone is so shocked by Twilight having a brother. (Even I was winded) So let's see if I can list'em.
ReplyDelete1. It fucks with a lot of peoples' fanfics. (petty, but true.)
2. Princess Candace and Shining Armor are suppose to be nothing more than shout outs to the REAL royal pair that got hitched awhile ago, so it shouldn't have any DEEP connections with the other main characters.
3. Lauren Faust, herself, admitted that she was quite "shocked" to find that another alicorn had been placed in the show, when she only planned for it to be Luna and Celestia.
I can't think of anything more, but these are the main issues that come to mind. I strongly believe it's a cheap way for Hasbro to make more money off of the toys.
Can't really blame them since they're a company, but still. . . . .
this was a step-in by higher ups to increase sales of Twilight Sparkle toys and the royal wedding playset.
ReplyDeleteI'm still in shock over the fact that Twilight has a brother.
ReplyDeleteMy best friend of 13 years didn't know I had an older sister until last Friday. I guess I never mentioned her.
ReplyDeleteTwilight not mentioning her older brother after 1.5 years is hardly shocking.
"Twilight and Shining" has a nice ring to it. Most characters so far have been introduced out of nowhere anyway. At least Shining Armor, judging by the name, should have the excuse of a military career. And I do like the idea of Twilight having a brother among the guards.
ReplyDeleteBeside, I for one think three winged unicorns are better than two. Cadence could act as an arbiter of sort between Celestia and Luna, making them easier to portray on screen. Now wouldn't that be great?
HER BROTHER?
ReplyDeleteHoly crap.
I just think it's hasbro trying to get people that guy there toys to wanna but the prince shiny terd and princess reject stuff.
ReplyDeleteWhile i do find it stupid that you know we never heard of her brother before in the show but we will have to see how it plays out.
@Nolim Great isn´t the word I´d use, to be honest. I really don´t see what role she´s supposed to fulfill. Her Cutie Mark doesn´t exactly give us a lot to work with either: she seems to be the Princess of Overcast Weather or something.
ReplyDeleteWhy are we so quick to judging Cadence and Shinings personality as 1 dimensional? We havent even seen them yet? Why is a wedding considered BAD while a royal ball (The Gala) is fine? Whats wrong with giving Twilight a long lost brother? Does every episode need to fit together like pie? Did this weeks episode tie in with the previous one?
ReplyDeleteWhat gives you these negative impressions? Care to elaborate?
I really like the idea of Twi having a brother, and I can't wait to see how the episode plays out (assuming this rumor is true, which is likely).
ReplyDeleteI will wait until the episodes have aired to make up my mind about these two, but Princess Cadence really seems like the "pink princess type" Hasbro has wanted as a toy since the start. They recently changed the Celestia one, so she could PARTIALLY act as a replacement for that.
ReplyDelete@TengenFlare
ReplyDeleteHey bro.
Hey bro.
Hey bro.
Hey bro.
hey bro.
Hey bro.
Hey bro.
Hey bro.
Will it work now?
ReplyDeleteObviously an older brother, likely estranged due their age differences & Twilight's enrollment into Celestia's magical foal labor camp.
ReplyDeleteJust like Twilight's parents, they'll get mention this once and likely disappear.
Gods I detest weddings! Maybe a pony one will soothe the hatred a tad? One can only hope.
People then to forget that Heart Warmign Eve stablished that ALL unicorns can raise the sun and the moon. Its not Celestia privilige. Perhaps Cadence is the princess in charge of seasons and she changes then in Canterlot alone (unlike Ponyville that sued manual labor)
ReplyDelete@FreezingShock
ReplyDeleteYou're thinking of a Princess Cadence fanart that spread around before we knew what her actual cutie mark was. Her real cutie mark (on the toy at least) is a teal heart with gold decorative elements surrounding it.
@Klutzybear
ReplyDelete2. But Kate Middleton was just an ordinary lass who was originally a professional photographer, originally not having any ties to royalty and nobody paid attention to Kate and her family ties until Prince William came around. Perhaps it's the same with Shining Armor.
@Twifight Sparkill
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking of it like this right now, gonna be basically a few eps really solely directed towards toy sells.
It might very well be the point where we look back and go "oooh that's when it started getting crappy"
Let us see what develops...
ReplyDeletewell i will wait to and official confirmartion in zap2it or the episode it self
ReplyDeleteim okey with twi having a brother so lets wait and see with what the team will surprise us this time :)
It wouldn't be the first time the show has just randomly dropped family members on us.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't mind this but I really dislike the idea of Twilight having a brother... Ech... This seems like it will be the "Inheretance" of the show... As in the one that will make me angry and forget about it...
ReplyDeleteI'm fine with Twilight having an older brother (since she already has a younger one in Spike) whose marrying into royalty, but I still I don't like Cadence being an alicorn. In TV shows, the families of the characters don't usually show up until a few seasons later anyways unless it's part of their character arch.
ReplyDelete@TengenFlare
They changed it. Now it sucks. lollolol
I've read some of the comments here, and the feasibility of this is becoming more apparent to me. Although I still don't like the idea of creating two new 'major' characters — and certainly not the idea of Shining as Twilight's brother — I think the teams involved can pull it off.
ReplyDelete>I was dreading the arrival of the wedding episodes
ReplyDelete>now I'm not
Thanks FIM team for the awesome premise
:)
@Klutzybear
ReplyDelete>"cheap way to make more money off toys"
And how exactly is making an alicorn instead of a unicorn or pegasus making more money? And how do you know they're ""supposed to be"" references to those two that got married? You saw the episode already? Damn, I jelly.
Dem siblings.
ReplyDeleteToo bad Cadence isn't related to Celestia or Luna (or is she?). Then one of Twilight's greatest dreams would come true. She would also technically be related to Celestia. ;)
@Klutzybear
ReplyDeleteWell, a couple of arguments:
"2. Princess Candace and Shining Armor are suppose to be nothing more than shout outs to the REAL royal pair that got hitched awhile ago"
I'm not sure where you got "Supposed to be" for this one. Yes, Shining Armor's wedding clothes are obviously a nod to the Prince's uniform for that wedding, but one visual gag alone doesn't have to define the entire storyline.
"3. Lauren Faust, herself, admitted that she was quite "shocked" to find that another alicorn had been placed in the show, when she only planned for it to be Luna and Celestia."
She technically was surprised that Cadence specifically had become an alicorn since her work with the story... which shows she had some involvement with this particular plot. Hence, it's entirely possible (without more specific comments from her) that Shining Armor was always supposed to be Twilight's brother from when she was still involved with the show.
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ReplyDelete@Harwick
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure Faust did say that she had a hand in writing the Cadence episode. But as we see here, there were obviously some changes made to it.
@Mike
ReplyDeleteOr at least... Thanks if this rumor pans out.
@Beatfox ..That´s not exactly an improvement, in my opinion, as the sequence Sun - Moon - Heart makes even less sense than the Overcast one. But I´m probably just being a bit anal about getting her to fit in with Luna and Celestia and, as I said before the old thread was destroyed, I have faith in Studio B´s ability to deliver a quality episode even though I´m slightly sceptical.
ReplyDeleteI bet it's forced, but Studio B will make it awesome anyway. I can't believe how people can complain about Shining Armor when we have absolutely no information whatsoever about parents of Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash and, most standing out, Applejack. Wasn't it for Rarity's parents, we would have no contact with Mane 6 long lost families at all.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see the episode and everyones reactions when they find out Shining and Cadence are awesome characters with mult-dimentionasl personalities! I feel sorry for you guys. :/
ReplyDeleteMaybe Cadence wasn't an Alicorn before Twilight screwed up a spell meant as a wedding gift. Oops!
ReplyDelete@TengenFlare
ReplyDeleteI didn't notice much negative anything besides Derpestia and he/she doesn't really count XD.
I still don't know for sure if this is one giant hoax to piss off the brony community for a short time or not, but I won't lie, I am a little weary of a series just giving the main character a brother out of nowhere. If the whole Twilight's-brother crap is real, I hope they know what they're doing with pulling something like that so suddenly. I hope they're prepared to explain too why some random new alicorn just appeared out of nowhere too.
ReplyDeleteThen again, when you think about it, Prince Blueblood from back in Season 1 is a mindfuck in and of himself too. In episode 3, Rarity said he was Princess Celestia's nephew. Soooo... does that mean that Celestia has another sister/brother besides Luna who had a unicorn son? Can't be Luna who's his mom, since she's barely a teenager, and also her age doesn't match up with his age to be his mom anyway. So who the hell is this other sister/brother who had a son, and where do they fit into the whole pilot story about the two sisters who control the cycle of the sun and moon? And what about their own parents?! UGH, THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!
...Okay, not really. But when alicorn family relations and multiple more alicorns get added to a story without any explanation, it makes things a world more complicated.
@Mike
ReplyDelete*yawn* another brony saying i don't count when my opinion does not equal "the show is wonderful and there not ever going to do something to mess it up" how shocking.
Really if anything you jumping on the bandwagon and not questioning stuff makes you worthless.
@Mike
ReplyDeleteLets just hope this is a minority. Most forums and comment boards are. Its been proven MULTIPLE times.
Im sure their are just as many bronies excited for this episode.
like me :)
@Harwick
ReplyDeleteTo follow up, quoting Lauren Faust from her Deviant Art page:
"I was very involved in the inception of the story, but I was surprised when I saw she (Cadence) is an alicorn. I don't know who made that decision, but it was after I was no longer working on the show."
So there's no saying from that quote whether Shining Armor being Twilight's brother is new or something she was a part of from the beginning. My guess is that it's always been the case, because making it Twilight's brother who is getting married would provide a clear entry for the mane six into a wedding story that otherwise wouldn't likely involve them.
TWILIGHT HAS A BRO?!!!
ReplyDeleteCOME AT ME!
Nah srsly what's the deal with everyone losing their shit? Cool it.
@Inspira
ReplyDelete>I still don't know for sure if this is one giant hoax to piss off the brony community
I...wha...what? People like you actually exist?
Like I said in the last set of Comments, Studio B hasn't failed us yet. Why would they magically drop the ball on this one? Sure, it's not what folks expected, but when is it ever? The show is still the show, we'll have a lot more to work with going forward. There'll be plenty of time to flip out when they actually botch an episode, but there is little more pointless than preemptive drama.
ReplyDeleteI'm just jelly over no discord yet totally.
ReplyDelete@Inspira calm down. ITS A TELEVISION SHOW ABOUT CUTE RAINBOW PONIES.
ReplyDelete@Derpestia
ReplyDeleteIt's your negativity that doesn't count: u be trollin'
@Aesoporific
ReplyDeletePeople are just stupid sometimes.
@Spicy_Noodlez
ReplyDeleteImplying RD is cute, when she is clearly the most ugly pony ever.
What I'm wondering is what the "Wedding Shocker" is going to be. A part of me is thinking it's that Cadence isn't what she seems to be at first glance
ReplyDeleteHowever, spoiling the wedding in the show would kinda sabotage the toy set advertising...
@Mike
ReplyDeleteIt's easier to be negative and not be shocked when things do not go the way you would like than be positive and be depressed when things don't.
Makes things easier in real life.
@FreezingShock What I meant is: wouldn't it be great to see more of Celestia, and even more so Luna, with some actual interaction between the two of them? If it takes a third character to achieve this, so be it.
ReplyDeleteMy reasoning is that the Celestia/Luna tandem would be either too lovey-dovey or too conflictual to portray on screen. A three characters dynamic would give more freedom to the writers.
@Naahdude
ReplyDeleteI'm no conspiracy nut, but I know there are some people on the internet with excellent photoshop skills, a lot of time on their hands, and absolutely no lives. This could be a ploy just to piss off bronies. Think about the guys who wrote Cupcakes and Sweet Apple Massacre. Same concept. Put a lot of work into something that will piss off a ton of people, laugh about it behind your computer where no on will know its you.
So I'm not assuming that it's fake or anything (if you actually read my entire comment, you would have saw that!) but I know hoax-artists on the internet exist and I'm not about to throw out that possibility until I see some real proof of legitimacy for myself.
@Derpestia I was referring to the ponies being colourful in general, not just Rdash. Why you hatin'?
ReplyDelete@Spicy_Noodlez
ReplyDeleteWhy you so pimp?
Eh, eh. She has a brother, so what?
ReplyDelete@Inspira
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm talking about Twilight's bro, not Princess "Randomly-Added-In-for-the-Hell-of-it" Cadence.
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ReplyDelete@Nolim Sure, I'd love to see more Celestia - Luna interaction. I really don't see why a third Princess with no clear purpose is really required to achieve such a thing, though. Cadence just doesn't fit in with the established dualism between Celestia and Luna, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteOh no, Spicy_Noodlez and Derpestia are conversing in a somewhat unfriendly tone! I guess the Equestria Daily Secret Police better make sure it seems like that conversation never took place.
@Spicy_Noodlez
ReplyDeleteDamn it. Really getting sick of people tl;dring my comments and taking what I say out of context. I was kidding about it driving me nuts. It was just a jokey drama-ploy to get a laugh out of people. So I think you're the one who's really freaking out. Not gonna explain this crap again.
Herp Derp Seems Legit
ReplyDeleteNothing to say, really. Except Two Alicorns fundamentalists are going to amuse people, again.
I'm sure whatever they do will be fine and I know I'll end up liking both Cadence and Shining, but still not sure I like Twilight having a real brother... Spike is brother enough to her and I don't like that they'd just write a relation in like that when it doesn't feel natural. With Pinkie and Rarity when we found out they had sisters it felt like just more of their backstory or something. With Twilight suddenly saying she has a brother when her flashback didn't imply it at all and it's only getting brought up because there is a Royal Wedding thing coming up.... it just feels weird. I'm sure it will be great when we get to the finale but as of now it doesn't sit so well with me. I don't know why it bugs me as much as it does because if it were Rainbow Dash having a big brother I'd have no qualms since it suits her character better than it suits Twilight's character.
ReplyDelete@Derpestia
ReplyDeleteFair enough; that makes sense.
I'mma just be happy and optimistic tho: it's what I do best, aside from being busy whilst simultaneously procrastinating...
0_0 ... darn, that second thing is too true XD.
@Rockabore
ReplyDeleteBecause you had higher exceptions for the show and expted better than a randomly added brother to a main charter who by all means if had a brother we should of at least seen some sign of it by now.
I have no beef with this. I am sure if its true the production team will hit a home run with it. I'm not into bashing people who instantly take any tidbit of information and headcanon it. If that's how they enjoy MLP, getting completely ramped up over even the smallest bit of info, who am I to disparage it? If its fake, I am sure whatever the writers come up with will be just as interesting. Let everyone be excited according to their own mind. Let the fangirls fluttersqueak. Let the analyticals Twilight it up with photoshop pixel analyses. It's all part of the music of the MLP universe.
ReplyDelete@Derpestia
ReplyDelete@Spicy_Noodlez
Y u no use complete "y u no" statements?
XD
LOL
ReplyDeleteI don't even need a show anymore....this communities comments are comedy gold as is ;)
@Klutzybear
ReplyDeleteIt's not really true. Think about it. How many fanfic have you read where Twilight's (biological) family or her supposed only child status have played any significant role?
Several things may happen:
ReplyDeleteCandence is really Celestia in disguise and Shining Armor an illusion created by her to troll the Mane Six.
Twilight is legit royalty. But this marriage will raise her status in the unicorn world and give her more prowess now that she's related to Celestia via marriage to a alicorn via her brother. And nothing changes in unicorn society.
This is all a bad dream for the benefit of Hasbro and Studio B.
Either way, I predict more shipping.
To all the people complaining and worried, don't be! They still have the same great team working on the show. This may seem bad, but think about it, this is the same team that made the show MY LITTLE PONY good. I think they can pull anything off. Plus I like the whole twist of Twi having a brother.
ReplyDelete@wackypony I won't begrudge Hasbro higher ups the desire to profit from their successful show as long as they keep up the quality to do it. Although, IMO, the #1 method of making money off figurines would be a Derpy plushie modeled off the existing Twi plushie base. HNNNNNGGGG.....TAKE MY MONEY!
ReplyDeleteI think the bestest part of this is that it hints at how Equestria is ruled: if twilight's brother is an ordinary colt who becomes a prince by marrying princess, and princesses can do that sort of thing, then it's probably an all out matriarchy, where the lineage is passed from mother to daughter. Wich would be cool.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the plot is along the lines of Twillight questioning if her bro is really marrying a royal out of love, or because he wants to advance in status, since they're both overachievers.
@Inspira
ReplyDeleteBut the thing is that whenever somebody does something like that, Jason usually steps in and says something like "Don't believe everything you see on the internet. I mean look at the recent epic trolling on ponychan, sure it seemed legit, but Jason Stepped in rather quickly and put a stop to it. He's had plenty of time now, and I don't see any stepping in going on.
Actually that makes sense. I was wondering why Twilight and co would be so involved in a wedding for ponies that don't know well.
ReplyDeleteBut helping out with your brother's wedding, that I can see.
Well, let's just hope it turns out to be a good episode
Well, unlike the rest of you lot, I'm not getting my panties in a knot over 'canon' and whatnot. I write what I want and don't plan to change that. It's just a fanfic ferfucksake...
ReplyDeleteOh my god..I...I just squeed
ReplyDeleteThis is gonna be awesome, Twilights brother! That's such a cool idea...please let Vinyl be in it and I'll be so happy!!
@FreezingShock To tell it all, what I am half expecting here is essentially the CMC with ageless goddesses instead of fillies. If you think it is meh, I can't really blame you.
ReplyDeleteLooking forward to this episode personally and have a couple opinions of my own.
ReplyDeleteFirst I don't think it's a bad deal that there are more Alicorns then just the sun and moon princess. Personally I found it weird that there where only supposed to be two Alicorns.
Second I like the idea of Twilight having a brother, they never said that Twilight didn't have siblings in the show.
It makes m laugh when people complain about characters being 'introduced out of nowhere'. I guess some people like to think that every character and relationship was mapped out before the first episode but TV, and writing in general, doesn't work that way. Writers in serial media like keep some stuff vague so that they can add details, like new family members, when a plot requires them. And if they don't work out they'll just have them disappear up the stairs like Richie Cunningham's brother Chuck on Happy Days. Just roll with it, and try not to declare a show irrevocably ruined before you see a single frame of the episode.
ReplyDeleteA more convincing look. Hey Fluttershy, it's Nightmare Night! *hides with her to avoid the ragey pony fans.*
ReplyDeleteCadence better be a black widow or a fraud alicorn.....
ReplyDeleteWait, if Twilight's last name is different from her brother's, does that mean she's been married? o.O
ReplyDeleteAlthough it's possible pony sirnames work differently, even though the Cake twins had the same last name, and the Rich family seem to share the same last name. Whatever.
Yeah adding connections to characters after the fact is horrible. I mean its not the basis of one the more compelling scenes in movie history or anything...
ReplyDeleteI'm starting to doubt this, as the info posted for The Legend of Korra call's Korra "Aang's airbending successor". So, if they got that wrong, the whole brother thing could be wrong too.
ReplyDeleteThe more I think about this, the more it feels like fanfiction. Not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but still causes one to go: "Huh?". Like it just does not gel together very well.
ReplyDeleteI am not worried, per se, but maybe a bit anxious. Well, only time will tell, and we'll likely love the season's finale anyway, once it comes out, given the studio's current track record.
Hey, has anyone thought that maybe ALICORNS AREN'T ACTUALLY SPECIAL?
ReplyDeleteI'm just saying. We've only seen Luna and Celestia so far. They can be related, but Cadence probably doesn't have any political power, or has magic as significant as Luna or Celestia. Shes just, for the lack of better wording, an ordinary winged unicorn.
I'm not surprised as to why we're known as an unpleaseable fanbase.
ReplyDeleteThe fucking episode hasn't even shown yet and you're all already whining and moaning.
@Dennis
ReplyDeleteI define us as a fanbase of "If we don't see it, it doesn't exist." This kind of happened with Baby Cakes, when the Cakes had twins out of nowhere- some were negative for this decision, as we had never seen them before. Many bronies take the show way to seriously, and think it should have an overly complex plot for a childrens show.
Still don't like this idea.
ReplyDeleteI think that Princess Cadence is going to turn out to be Discord.
ReplyDeleteTomorrow we will know the truth
ReplyDeleteWow, people are already on the negative about this? I'm rather intrigued now that I've heard Twilight has a brother. Maybe the reason we've never heard about him is that he's older and works far away. Not everyone talks about their siblings all the time, especially if they were not raised too closely together. I mean, really, Rarity's parents came "out of nowhere" as well. And whatever happened to Pinkie Pie's siblings? She never talks about them. We don't even know their names. Some families just are not as close-knit as the Apples.
ReplyDeleteOk, heres what i think happened:
ReplyDelete-Somebody working late at night
- screws up episode summary
- notice too late
- reprint costs too much money and "little girls arent going to read tv guide"
Seems MWB stands for Megan Walsh Boyle, who is actual writer for Tv Guide.
ReplyDeleteThe premise for this episode kinda reminds me of a My Little Pony Tales episode, except better.
This would be really crazy and would make a lot of things kind of odd.
ReplyDeleteYou know what? I was shocked when I saw this. Very shocked and surprised, and a bit disbelieving at first.
ReplyDeleteThen I realized, I'd be okay with this. I trust Studio B to make this work. They've delivered quality episodes MUCH more than bad episodes. So, if Shining Armor is indeed Twilight's brother, I'm all for it.
Personally, I can see him as a cool older brother type, but since he's likely in the royal guard, he's not around nearly as often as he'd like to be.
@FlyingPenguin--
ReplyDeleteIt could just be that alicornness can be a random mutation. Assuming the baby cakes' father is telling the truth, if a unicorn or pegasus can pop up randomly in an Earth pony family, perhaps, an alicorn comes along. It does not mean the alicorn is magic like Luna and Celestia, its just a random alicorn.
Frankly, I've suspected for sometime that Princess Cadence is a replacement for formerly pink Celestia. When I first saw her I thought "OMG, does that mean we're getting a white Celestia!" Not sure why Hasbro is so hung up on the giant pink alicorn thing. When I was a little girl, I had toys of all different colors, pink wasn't particularly special or desirable. I preferred blue, purple, and red stuff.
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ReplyDelete@vampireseal
ReplyDeleteExactly. Its made me curious if anything about how they will get that sibling relationship to work.
Hmm i guess Rarity is going to be in shock after twilight not telling her about Twilight's handsome brother.
ReplyDeleteLuna wasn't like the fandom expected. - Didn't care.
ReplyDeletePony Archive got taken down. - Didn't care.
Derpy got a shoutout. - Didn't care. Yay Applejack episode!
Derpy got censored. - Holy god couldn't care less.
Twilight has a brother. - Interesting, but don't really care.
Yes I understand many people love this show. I myself am one of them, but seriously, why must the community lose their shit on every single thing Hasbro or any other company involved does that doesn't follow the fandom?
We follow "their" show. The show doesn't follow "our" fandom, and until some of you get that through your thick skulls you're always going to be disappointed.
I can think of a similar community that something like this happened to. It was the Sonic fandom. And yes, all those above incidences that created shit storms just reeks of the same.
Navy Brony, I've been a Sonic fan since I was a little kid, but that's the exact reason I don't actively participate in the fandom. I really don't want the same thing to happen to the best fandom I've ever found.
ReplyDeleteThe Derpy thing honestly made me feel bad for the character. Why does SHE have to be censored while other "dopey" characters get free reign? Nevertheless, I just had to accept it, and get on with loving the latest episode (assertive Fluttershy and Minotaur Satan/Macho Minotaur Randy Savage for the win!).
Anyway, that's enough about that. I'm interested to see how Studio B pulls this whole thing together. This show churns out quality like gaming companies churned out quality RPGs for the Super Nintendo.
I hope Hasbro doesn't force something bad upon the mlp season 2 finale.
ReplyDeleteFor God's sake...everyone gets up in arms in this fandom when something doesn't compute 100 PERCENT WITH FANON.
ReplyDeleteLuna doesn't compute? SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS
I mean...my God, the episode hasn't even aired, and we're already bashing this?
Have some faith, for God's sake.
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ReplyDeleteI'm really hoping that, if they make an awesome episode outta this, our fandom will finally comprehend that we can fully trust the show's staff.
ReplyDeleteI mean, after a whole one-and-three-quarters of a season we still don't trust the people behind all of this? It looks like we don't even know what they're capable of! After all of this months, we should've already known.
Srsly fellas, we could show some support to them, sometimes.
God, i get so tired of people coming in to "save the fandom". There are extremley few people freaking out about this.
ReplyDeleteAs i keep saying over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again:
There are twice as many people complaining about people complaining than there are people actually complaining!
What do *you* want people to talk about?
"Thats a good drawing"
"I like that music"
"That episode was cool"
"I do not wish to discuss anything in detail, have a nice day"
This ^
This is the utopia you are begging for.
Ps: analysis is fun. Thats why fans exist. It seems half the people here assume analysis = bashing
ReplyDeleteAbout the only thing that I am amazed at is the fact that T.V. Guide is still in print.
ReplyDeleteAbout the only thing that I am amazed at is the fact that T.V. Guide is still in print.
ReplyDelete@Beta-Carotene
ReplyDeleteThe Brony community I became a part of, barely argued over anything. I recall a news update about a religious TV network calling the show satanic, and seeing bronies from all different types of beliefs, including atheists and agnostics, getting along. I mean I seriously looked through all 200+ replies because it was just inconceivable that a religious based discussed on the internet would have absolutely no bashing of one another.
I also saw 2 guys arguing over the whole saucy pictures issue (which still goes on unfortunately), but eventually they came to terms with one another, apologized, and the argument ended then and there.
No, there aren't too many people freaking out over this topic yet, but it's starting.
Luna being changed from fanon was the first time I saw the comments section on this site start getting riddled with personal attacks and general...butthurtness.
The Pony Archive situation was a complete disaster. So was the situation when it was found out Hasbro really was taking down the YouTube episodes (whatever happened to the bronies that uploaded videos saying if they were ever told to take it down they would respect their wishes?)
Go back to some of the comments and discussing from last July, then look at them today, and tell me things haven't changed.
What is there to freak out about? it's just a her brother. I think too many people are trying to play peacemaker without anything actually happening.
ReplyDeleteif someone criticizing mlp that does not mean they do not enjoy it with everyone else
ReplyDeleteits just their way of brony)
Nopony should be negatively shocked or surprised to discover that Twilight has a brother that we have never heard of or seen before. After all, we are nearing the end of season two and we STILL have no idea if half the main cast even have living parents (and even the ones we DO know of have had next to zero actual screen time to form fixed personalities for them from).
ReplyDeleteIn all honesty, I actually guessed that Twilight might have an older brother months ago. I don't know why, but I was actually expecting something like this for some reason. Admittedly, I AM surprised that it is Shining Armor though.
What happened to the comments before?
ReplyDeleteWait, he's looking into that. Thanks Seth!
There were a lot of comments before when I looked through my iPad which couldn't post a single post.
@Navy Brony
ReplyDeleteAs a fandom grows larger, you attract a larger population of unreasonable people. Its just like a small town turning into a big city. There is nothing that anyone at all can do to stop that.
What disturbs me is that i see a bunch of the more intelligent members packing up amd leaving because of the *misconception* that everyone is freaking out, when its really just one or two people.
The constant environment of comments about people freaking out when they really are not just puahes more reasonable people out the door and just leaves the rabbid fans there.
This is not exclusive to us at all. Media does this constantly. 5 people write angry emails: "tonights news, all of america is outraged!" .
@Jake
ReplyDeleteAmen brother /)
By the way, im not frustrated at you. Just so you know :)
ReplyDeleteKeyboards tend to leave a bitter residue on words
I think Twilight having a brother is kinda cool. Can't wait to see the episodes.
ReplyDelete@Beta-Carotene
ReplyDelete>>As a fandom grows larger, you attract a larger population of unreasonable people. Its just like a small town turning into a big city. There is nothing that anyone at all can do to stop that.
--This. It's not that we as a fan base are growing angrier and less tolerant, rather we as a fan base are simply growing more numerous in general. Unfortunately the angry and intolerant types also tend to be the loudest, which means that as the fandom grows it can give the appearance of an unruly mob even if that type of fan is still only a tiny percentage of the whole.
Sure there have been a fair amount of heated words lately about a variety of things, but I'd hesitate to call it actual but-hurt. Even reasonable people can be all too prone to speaking harshly in the heat of the moment, but I still have faith in this fandom because through all of that cooler head always seem to prevail. This thread being a prime example, as it seems far more calm and rational then its predecessor from yesterday.
The unpleasant reactions to Shining being Twilight's brother makes me a little ashamed to be part of the fandom. Everyone just chill! I think a brother would be great in terms of character development for Twi. Only three of the main six even have siblings at this point, and only two have siblings who speak. More family episodes would be nice.
ReplyDeleteAlso it seems like this was planned from the beginning based on Shining's Cutie Mark and his family resemblance.
@62835fdc-3fb1-11e1-9fc6-000bcdcb2996
ReplyDeleteThat's what I meant. I didn't mean that the *percentage* of them grows larger. The numbers of all parties grows larger.
Also, look right above my comment to see precisely what I'm talking about.
"All these people complaining"
No. Hardly anyone is complaining. Most people are having positive or neutral reactions.
People see a large comment. Say TL:DR and then assume it's complaining. THIS is what I'm talking about.
Who would've guessed that Shining Armor would turn out to be Twilight's brother. Originally I thought he was a relative of Celestia, and if he is considered "ROYAL" wouldn't that mean Twilight is too?
ReplyDeleteSome of you people make me giggle
ReplyDelete"oh noes Hasbro rapes my Late Teens/Early 20's!"
MLP is ruined FOREVER!
@sonicguy180
ReplyDeleteI think he's more considered royal because of the whole "marrying a princess" thing.
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ReplyDelete@Beta-Carotene
ReplyDeleteCan I have your babies?
Look, we've had bad times in the past, no denying that. But when people pop into a thread to talk about people complaining and causing a shitstorm even though there's barely one to speak of, it drives me nuts.
If you're talking about a shitstorm happening elsewhere then SAY it's happening elsewhere. Don't come into a thread like this and assume that every single ambivalent or concerned comment is a complaint or butthurt or whatever. People have not been freaking out here as hard as you think.
This throws my entire perception of reality into question... CLONE? ROBOT? OR LONG-LOST TWIN? TAKING ALL BETS! I also offer video poker.
ReplyDeleteThis is a comment from someone that's excited to see what they do with both SA and Cadance.
ReplyDeleteIt's the season 2 finale, you know they're going to end it with a bang.
@Edzepp
ReplyDeletelol, I actually can't tell if you're agreeing with me or missed the point of my post.
See, we need to invent a sarcasm lock key! We'll make millions!
@Beta-Carotene
ReplyDeleteI'm agreeing, for real.
Did I misunderstand something? My point was I don't like people declaring 'shitstorm' when no one is even complaining. I think that's what you were saying. Sorry for the confusion.
@Edzepp
ReplyDeletelol, no problem.
Often times people will respond to others with an implied "TL;DR" type response and reply to the opposite of what they were saying. The second part of the post, I couldn't tell if that was directed at other people, or was directed at me and you just didn't read the post. Unfortunately, the latter seems more common than the former.
"Twilight, I'm not your brother, I'm your father through Cadence."
ReplyDeleteI just realized that reference would've been a lot more funny if I had used it this Saturday. :I Damn.
ReplyDelete@Beta-Carotene
ReplyDeleteHeh, OK. I should have been a bit clearer. We're on the same page, you and I.
Holy S*it
ReplyDeleteThe show is becoming just like fan fics.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, Ditzy wasn't even a proper character and WE made her what she was. Fanfics and all.
The show isn't what it used to be. The Theme song has changed drastically from what it used to be and the voice actors sound tired and bored.
I still watch it, but theres always that feel when I hear Fluttershy's or Rarity's voice from time to time and its just not the characters I loved.
Please don't buck this up Hasbro, for the love of Celestia's Raging Solar Orgasms don't do it.
Um, if they're doing something in the actual show, it's not 'a fan fic', it's canon.
ReplyDeleteIf the show is not exactly what you remember, that's OK. Everyone goes through that eventually.
I'm just waiting for them to blow my socks off.
This just increased my interest for the finale even more. I was already interested on how'd they would explain Cadence (maybe alicorns aren't rare or divine as I thought) If he really is her brother it could make for some interesting interactions and development for Twilight (she kinda needs it.) And since their son's getting married, we might see Twilight's parents as well.
ReplyDeleteOMG MY TWILIGHT HAS A BROTHER!?!?!?!?
ReplyDeleteOMG MY TWILIGHT HAS A BROTHER!?!?!?!?
ReplyDeleteThe closer we get to this finale, the more I'm anticipating it
ReplyDeleteHow dare they suddenly give Twilight a brother? That'd be like if they introduced a character in one episode, and then 5 episodes later just suddenly said that she's actually Rarity's sister! Or just having new Apple family members popping up out of nowhere! And if Pinkie Pie has taught us anything, it's that suddenly revealing one of the main characters has had siblings the whole time drastically changes everything that came before or will come after for that character.
ReplyDelete@730Flare
ReplyDeleteNon-Winged Unicorns moving the sun and moon didn't make you question the divinty of the sisters?
@Reality Check
ReplyDeleteI've pondered that Equestria was a matriarchy since it seems to have a female majority, this season however has gone out of its way to incorporate more male BG ponies (especially in Canterlot which seems to have far less of a gender gap than Ponyville, what with its 3 Mares to every 1 stallion) however Celestia and Luna are the only rulers we've seen so maybe Equestria is a matriarchy *ponders deeply*
Ahem, WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?
ReplyDeleteHonestly, it's reasonable enough that there are a dozen or more beings out there who could maybe challenge the sisters and the Mane Six. While also being winged unicorns. Or not.
ReplyDeleteIt was never said the sisters were goddesses. It was never said within the show that they were the only ones of their kind. It was never said they could move the sun and moon only due to being goddesses rather than it being their respective talents.
Please keep in mind the cosmos is bigger than Equestria. The sisters were never said to be the strongest mares alive. And it was never said that every strong pony is going to go around making scenes and drawing attention to themselves. Or even live in Equestria.
Do people really think Equestria is all there is when it comes to strong enough ponies?
LEVANTIIIIIINNEEEEES!!!!!
ReplyDelete@Jomoru
ReplyDelete"Yeah adding connections to characters after the fact is horrible. I mean its not the basis of one the more compelling scenes in movie history or anything..."
i lol'd heartily at this
You don't even need to refer to Star Wars. How long did it take for the show to feature Rarity and Sweetie Belle's parents?
ReplyDeleteAnd Fluttershy plus Rainbow Dash's families still haven't been shown despite all of the exposure they've had. And Applejack's parents have yet to appear in the show either.
Man I can't wait to see the complaining when Scootaloo's family is shown.
okay, theory on alicorns. We can all agree that the pope is supposedly bleesed and chosen by god,right? what if the act of being an alicorn comes with some sort of divine blessing? perhaps this is why they live so long; though they could live longer just because they are an alicorn, and are worshipped because of this extreme longevity. since celestia looked younger in the granny smith episode, and since luna looks younger than celestia, i think its safe to say that they live very long, rather than being immortal. Like a time lord.
ReplyDelete@The Skullivan THIS
ReplyDelete@MasterContinuum So perhaps princess cadence is Luna's next regeneration. (jk)
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ReplyDeleteClearly Twilight's maiden name was Armour. She's divorced now, but kept her ex-husband Bob Sparkle's name.
ReplyDeleteHoly shit.
ReplyDelete@Beta-Carotene
ReplyDeleteDon't worry. No offense or harsh words were taken. On the reciprocol, I hope it didn't seem as if I was doing the same.
I think you and I are on the same page actually. It's easy to let our perception get clouded because of the influx of more people.
However that right there is the problem. With more people, the more bad apples, and they tend to be the most vocal as well.
Obviously, we can't just simply stop people from becoming bronies, but I take on more of a proactive approach you may say. I've seen some great bronies outright leave the fandom because they feel that the drama has become too common, and that's a situation I want to see stop.
Now, I'm not going to say police the fandom. What I will say is, we need to be setting the example.
@galwren It did a little. Which is why I think the complaints of Cadence being an alicorn are a bit overreactive. I am curios what they'll make Cadence in charge off, or if she is just a princess that happens to be an alicorn.
ReplyDeleteThis episodes airs 2 days (I have to watch it 1 day after, though) before my birthday, and I gotta admit, I'm a bit disappointed.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, 3 alicorns? Don't we have enough already?
Second, they should of mentioned it when the ponies were telling the stories of how they got their cutie marks to the CMC. But this is a really sweet suprise.
@PK-Gaming
ReplyDeleteWhere were Rarity's parents, Applejack's parents, and Fluttershy as well as Raindow Dash's parents+other family members in their cutie mark stories?
Did those bother you too?
Interesting Twilight Sparkle DO have a Brother
ReplyDelete@galwren
ReplyDeleteForgot to mention Rarity's folks popping out of nowhere at all, with no mention ever.
And lets not even get started on Rarity and Sweetie Belle being sisters not being mentioned until Staremaster.
I really don't see a problem with Twi just never mentioning her brother. But at the same time... romantich male lead character design, knight in shining armor references everywhere, marrying a heretofore unknown alicorn...
ReplyDeleteIt is all the trappings of a terrible self-insertion oc fic.
@Whiteout
ReplyDelete>>It is all the trappings of a terrible self-insertion oc fic.
--Maybe so, but the truth of the matter is that it's actually a marketing ploy by the Hasbro execs to sell new playsets by cashing in on the still somewhat recent British royal wedding.
Unfortunately for some folks that might only make it worse, but what those same people seem to forget is that the main reason for the existence of this show in the fist place is and always has been to sell toys to little girls. That we get what may well be the most genuinely entertaining and inspirational show currently on television is just a happy accident.
That said, the brilliant minds behind this show have routinely shown the ability to take contrived cartoon clichés and spin them into something unexpectedly amazing. Two years ago I would have never expected episodes focused on topics like sleep-overs and making dresses for a fancy ball could be anything more than mindless drivel, and yet look were we are today.
The show makers haven't really ever let us down so far, and have always gone above and beyond the call of duty to make what is essentially just a 22 minute toy commercial into something amazing. So long as we still have most of that same staff working on this show, I for one see absolutely no reason to expect that to change.
My first reaction was, like many others: HER BROTHER!?
ReplyDeleteBut after thinking about it for a little while, I actually like it. There a great possibilities hidden behind that premise. Her brother's wedding might mean we also see her parents again. We haven't seen Twilight interact with her family at all, maybe they are close, maybe they are a bit distant. And Mmybe they still think their loved daughter/sister is a socially awkward bookworm and are surprised to meet the new Twilight.
I see a lot of ways for this to turn out okay or even awesome, so I'm looking forward to the season finale.
If only it weren't for that third Alicorn... Well, there's still head canon ;)
I like the idea of Twilight having a brother, maybe in Season 3 we can get a couple episodes based around the mane 6's childhoods.
ReplyDeleteInb4 Cadence is an Earth Pony with a magically added horn and wings.
ReplyDelete>mfw physical TV guide
ReplyDelete>wut?