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RusselH over on Deviant Art is attempting to piece together a chronological timeline of the pony episodes. This might be a fun one to discuss! He is also looking for feedback, so feel free to toss your 2 cents in.
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Awesome, another chronology.
ReplyDeleteYa know, one of these days we're going to get it entirely right, and then... nothing. Feels like we're trying to hard. xP
~Dark~
Hmm looks neat! I'll look into it.
ReplyDeleteMy biggest issue with this is that it feels as if the GGG had to be the very last thing. It's what they were looking forward to all year.
ReplyDeleteAnd such an event would come up afterwards in conversation, so i dont think Fall Weather Friends or Winter Wrap Up fit according to Russel
Lots of sound logic here, I like it.
ReplyDeleteI think the GGG was around the tail end of summer Considering Twilight said "it was still summer in ticket master."
ReplyDeleteThat was super interesting.
ReplyDelete"Party of One:
ReplyDeleteI've got nothing."
lol
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteSurely that has to come after 'feeling pinky keen' as this was when gummy was introduced to twilight...
@ZAquanimus It doesn't make sense to me for anyone to hold on to tickets for anything for almost a whole year
ReplyDeleteThe problem with Griffon the Brush off being near the top and before Sonic Rainboom is Pinkie Pie describes the events of Sonic Rainboom at the very beginning. Everything else seems fine.
ReplyDelete@ZAquanimus
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure he just placed those there because there was no other room.
I've got one for Boast Busters. Snips and Snails are first seen in that episode, they appear again in Show Stoppers and Snips appears in Call of the Cutie if that's any help to you.
ReplyDeleteThis is when I realize the MLP timeline is just as confusing as the Zelda timeline...
ReplyDeleteI'm just gonna tell myself the episodes are already in chronological order to keep it simple.
ReplyDelete@Saurian The problem with that in itself is was that Pinkie just being Pinkie or do we give the benefit of the doubt to the way the episodes were released
ReplyDeleteWhy do people think Griffon comes after Sonic Rainboom? I heard no connection with what Pinkie said.
ReplyDeleteWow, that was interesting! The gala dresses making appearances before Suited for Success was really an eye-opener. I don't really notice those kind of things, like the animation errors that were showcased a week ago. I'm gonna keep a sharp eye on season 2 now!
ReplyDelete@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z87zB3Bcm0
Probably just Pinkie breaking the fabric of time though.
This is of course, laboring under the assumption that the entire series takes place during the span of a single year.
ReplyDeleteOne episode mentioned Pinkie throwing a "Spring has Sprung party" If anyone knows what episode that is, that could help place it on the chart.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous
ReplyDelete"Hoof fighting action overload."
There is no "fighting" in Sonic Rainboom, unless you count fighting the laws of physics. I still doubt it.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteEpisode 25 "Party of One."
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteThat was in in party of one
I checked the appearance of the dresses in Swarm of the Century. Well spotted! However, I think they're much closer to 15:38 than 15:27.
ReplyDelete@Roman500
ReplyDeleteTo expand on this, Snips and Snails perform a magic act in Show Stoppers, this was probably inspired by Trixie, especially as Trixie's theme plays while they do their act. Therefore, Show Stoppers must be after Boast busters.
And yes, Party of One must come after Feeling Pinkie Keen. Twilight met Gummy at his birthday party, but doesn't know him in Pinkie Keen.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI was JUST thinking about that! "Party of One" also shows AJ picking loads of apples, so I'm not sure if the episode would be placed after Winter Wrap-up or before Applebuck Season. I'm confused :(
@Saurian
ReplyDeleteIf anyone else had been giving the description, that would be pretty good evidence. However, we're talking about Pinkie Pie.
A problem for me: the pilot happened after call of the cutie. The CMC were seen cowering together in the first episode.
ReplyDeleteParty of One
ReplyDeletePinkie Pie and Fluttershy are a year older, Fluttershy's birthday isn't seen in episode.
@Ihaveanamebecause?
ReplyDeleteIf Call of The Cutie happened after, then how did Twilight get to Ponyville, as well as know AJ, Pinkie, and Apple Bloom?
I think I have a reason why The Galla can be the latest episode and how Celestia sending the tickets almost a year early makes sense.
ReplyDeleteFrom what we can tell, the Galla is a HUGE event, Ponies from every corner of Equestria attend. It would stand to reason then that, like most major events, they would start sending out tickets, or at least allow for pre-requests, early so that they could get an accurate count of how many ponies would be there, so Celestia could have given Twilight and company the tickets before pre-requests even started, to be sure that they got them.
'Stare Master'
ReplyDeleteOwlowicious is seen watching the CMC enter the everfree forest as a form of foreshadowing.
@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDeleteI'm beginning to think that it's impossible to have a good order of events, because they are going to be more and more contradicting...
One interesting thing: Derpyhooves.com broke this first. Just saying...
ReplyDelete-Miles M.
@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDeleteActually he says that he beleive they are last in the author comments on his dA page.
@Ihaveanamebecause?
ReplyDeleteIt was never stated that they knew each other during that moment in time. They could have just all been hiding in the same place from NMM.
In response to the whole "Griffon the Brush-off is after Sonic Rainboom" idea.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, what Pinkie describes is vague enough that it could be anything, really. She could've seen Dash practicing stunts or clearing clouds, thought it was completely awesome, and in her usual over-exuberant Pinkie Pie fashion, gone overboard in her excitement about it.
There's also smaller things, like why is Twilight being so blasé about it, and why was Dash actively trying to avoid Pinkie.
So it could be after Sonic Rainboom, but there's as much of a chance that it isn't, since Pinkie is just vague enough.
I think the Gala could be one of the latest events, but it also could be an event that occured at the end of the summer of Twilight's first year in Ponyville.
ReplyDeleteWinter Wrap Up seems like the chronological end of the season to me.
...............I WATCH THEM IN RANDOM ORDERS!!!! hehehehehehehe!
ReplyDeleteIf you listen carefully to Pinkie Pie in the first part of "Griffon the brush off" She is describing the Sonic Rainboom, placing that episode after "Sonic Rainboom" itself.
ReplyDelete...
ReplyDeleteI agree?
'Party of One'
ReplyDeletePinkie got gummy the day before her last birthday, meaning she got gummy before Twilight arrived in Ponyville.
So taking Feeling Pinkie Keen into account Twilight was not around for Pinkie's previous birthday or else she would have known about Gummy living in Pinkie's bathtub.
But that's assuming Pinkie isn't, you know, being typical Pinkie and breaking the 4th wall so hard that the space time continuum has a brain fart. lol
ReplyDeleteSpike's lines in his "interrogation" in Party of One would seem to suggest that the episode takes place in Spring, meaning Pinkie Pie and Gummy's birthdays are in this season, rather than on the date the episode aired as occasionally suggested.
ReplyDeleteThis would place Party of One as quite late in the chronology, following Winter Wrap-Up.
This was really good.
ReplyDeleteAlligators lay their eggs in summer...and Gummy's birthday was in Party of One, so take that as you will to where the episode needs to be placed.
ReplyDelete@Ihaveanamebecause?
ReplyDeleteI would argue that, just because they were cowering together doesn't mean that they actually knew each other. For all we know, that was the only area for filly sized ponies to hide, and they were all so busy trying not to call down the wrath of Nightmare Moon on them, they weren't interested in who they were cowering next to.
Also, one piece of clothing based time-line trivia that I haven't seen mentioned yet. Rarity's outfits for the Winter Wrap Up make a quick appearance in 'Swarm of the Century' episode. (A pony is wearing hers while she watches in horror as parasprites destroy her garden in Ponyville). Does this mean _anything_? (shrugs) But if we're using the Gala dresses to help figure things out timeline-wise, I thought I'd toss out another potential clue for everyone to mull over.
I say Look Before You Sleep happened right before Suited for Success. My reasoning:
ReplyDeleteIn Look Before You Sleep, Twilight tells Rarity and Applejack that Spike is out on royal business in Canterlot.
Later, in Suited For Success, he doesn't appear until much later in the episode (which is strange, since Rarity is his crush), and announces that he spoke to Hoity Toity (Who remember is in Canterlot) personally and invited him there.
*Nods in satisfaction*
One other slight problem; in #23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles we see some flashbacks of the Mane 6 in their filly days. A couple of times we see the moon and there's no sign of the Mare in the Moon crater pattern, which we see disappearing from the moon near the end of #1.
ReplyDeleteIt's worse than that though, as these events happen at pretty much the same time, but Applejack sees a waxing moon and Pinkie sees a waning moon.
Oh wait, that bit might be OK as Applejack sees the waxing moon when she arrives in Manehattan, and she's presumably been there a few weeks by the time her homelessness coincides with seeing the rainbow...
But the Mare in the Moon shadow is still an issue!
For the record:
ReplyDelete"Hoof fighting action OVERLOAD! She was like a stunt SUPERSTAR, flying higher, and higher, and then Rainbow Dash swooped down, SWOOSH, and right before she hit the ground, SHOOM, she pulled up, VROOM!!"
"Uh-huh."
"And then she looped around and around, like whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, WHOOOO!!
"Uh-huh."
home*sick*ness. argh.
ReplyDeletehas to be said though, Pinkie does have *awesome* stalking powers, particularly when it comes to Dash. Why... may be left to speculation.
ReplyDeleteGreen Isn't Your Color doesn't make sense happening after Suited For Success. In GIYC Rarity isn't well known as a designer, which wouldn't be the case if Hoity Toity were featuring her dresses in his boutique.
ReplyDelete'Boast Busters'
ReplyDeleteCould possibly take place after Sonic Rainboom, Given Rainbow Dash can now create a mini-rainbows.
It also could take place after 'Over a Barrel' where the ponies spend some time helping the Apploosians transplant their tree's. They spend at least a week in the Apploosa.
Given the nature of the town Applejack learned a few new rope tricks she later used in Boast Busters.
Boast Busters has to happen before 'Green isn't your color' given Rarity has to freak out about her hair being green as a foreshadow to that episodes title.
I can dig this! I appreciate the work that went into it!
ReplyDelete@StrangeNoise
ReplyDeleteDoes the moon rotate in the pony world? If so Luna is on the 'Dark Side' of the moon during the Cutie Mark Chronicles.
Besides I doubt Celestia wanted to play her cards early.
I'm going to go with that's just Pinkie breaking the space-time continuum there, and saying what's going to happen. She doesn't think the same way we do, she sees all possibilities of what will and could happen, and gets her knowledge that way.
ReplyDelete@StrangeNoise
ReplyDeleteWe chalk that one up to animation/continuity error and move on.
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I would put 'Party of One' notably after 'Feeling Pinkie Keen,' as FPK was the episode that introduced Gummy, and Po1 started with Gummy's birthday party.
ReplyDeleteOn the calendar, you can tag Po1 as being in the mid to late summer based upon Rainbow and Fluttershy's excuse for not going to Gummy's 'after birthday' party. They claimed to be housesitting a bear while he was at the beach collecting seashells.
While the invalidity of their excuse makes this evidence questionable, the fact Pinkie accepts their excuse (even being the most understanding to that excuse over the others') makes it quite plausible that they are in the prime summer months.
One could argue that seashells are more prominent in autumn, but bears would not be vacationing to the beach around then as they would instead be preparing their dens and stocking up for winter hibernation.
That said, remember that when Pinkie invites Applejack to Gummy's 'after birthday' party, Applejack is carting three very large wagons of apples. This places Po1 immediately after 'Applebuck Season,' as such quantities of fresh apples would only be present at the tail end of the harvest.
The timing of the apple harvest coincides with the previous observation of Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy's excuse to be housesitting for a bear visiting the beach. Therefore, it would be summarized as:
Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy falsely claim to be housesitting for a bear visiting the beach; the excuse Pinkie ends up believing the most. Therefore, it is plausible to be in the summer beach months. Applejack is also seen carting three large wagons of apples, meaning she's delivering the last haul from harvest season.
I just want to emphasize that through the previous connections, this would bump up the episodes 'Dragonshy' and 'Feeling Pinky Keen' to precede 'Applebuck Season.'
ReplyDeleteMight be worth mentioning on the CMC links that they can be seen together (likely by coincidence) in episode 1 during Nightmare Moon's appearance.
ReplyDelete@Jetfire
ReplyDeleteMaybe word hasn't gotten around yet? She's probably still working on Hoity's order at that time.
@Dusty Days
ReplyDeleteThis is another or a future Earth. Twilight established that by referring to constellations *we* have in Suited for Success. The Moon is phase-locked, it won't become un-phase-locked without a serious bombardment or something.
'nother problem arises though... it seems to be established that the moon and the sun can't be in the sky at the same time. That's some interesting orbital dynamics...
And I thought Zelda was convoluted.
ReplyDelete@Ponies!!!
ReplyDeleteRead the transcript from the episode:
Pinkie Pie: Hoof-biting action overload! She was like a stunt superstar, flying higher and higher, and then Rainbow Dash swooped down--swoosh--and right before she hit the ground--shoom-she pulled up--rrrmmm!
Twilight Sparkle: Uh-huh.
Pinkie Pie: And then she looped around and around like fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom.
Twilight Sparkle: Uh-huh.
Does that sound like a sonic rainboom? Sounds more like a regular stunt.
Am I just imagining Lauren Faust commenting on this? I recall comments along the lines of "because nature doesn't work automatically in Equestria, and because the ponies create the seasons, seasonal changes will not be reflected in the show the way they work in real life". So I always took this to mean that the episodes were aired in roughly the correct chronological order; and from a character development point, this made sense to me.
ReplyDeleteBesides the seasons (which might be explained by shorter years?), is there a compelling reason to assume that the episodes wouldn't have been aired in intended order?
Somebody needs to create a Compendium of Canonical Quotes from the show creators...
@Tulip Chainsaw
ReplyDeleteOh I don't know, the fun is in filling all the gaps, and the Creators have very thoughtfully left lots of such gaps for us to play in.
... speaking as an owner of a ST:TNG Tech Ref manual, which kinda goes against that point, but that *was* before the days of the interwebs' ubiquity so not sure it counts...
(Shorter years, by the way, would put into perspective the whole "1000 years of lunar imprisonment" and "100 years of dragon snoring" and probably a couple of other excessive references to long time periods... I'm beginning to like this theory.)
ReplyDeleteOh, got it for 'Boast Busters!' Easy one.
ReplyDeleteTwilight does not want to reveal her magic powers to her friends in BB. This definitively places it well before many other episodes where the characters start demanding Twilight uses her superior magic ability to help them.
For example.
It would be well before 'Call of the Cutie' as Applebloom (quite vocally) requests Twilight to give her a fake cutie mark with her magic.
It also places it before 'Sonic Rainboom,' as Rarity says to Twilight (paraphrasing) 'Go on, use your magic to get us into Cloudsdale!'
These characters would not have enlisted Twilight's help if they did not know she had the abilities she displayed at the end of Boast Busters.
@Tulip Chainsaw
ReplyDeleteI tend to see it as far-future. Same constellations as we see, or close; ponies evolved (they're only ponies if we're monkeys); us gone and the Earth recovered from our ravages...
Over time since the Earth was formed, days have become longer, years shorter, and the Moon moved into phase-lock but is gradually orbiting further out. So it might all just work for far-future... :-D
Confound these ponies! They drive me to think!!
ReplyDeleteGood job!
ReplyDeleteI would take a wild guess and say that the talent show might take place near the end of the school year to not effect the fillies' studies/grades, thus putting "The Show Stoppers" somewhere during the first days of summer.
As for Party Of One - The only thing that comes to my mind is that it has to take place after all the characters have developed their friendship, tt has to be in order for them to go to these lengths. Also, this is the first time we see Pinkie Pie suffering from a mental breakdown, meaning that after that event she learned her lesson and her friends are there to help her not to freak out.
I think that the Gala is in the spring, given that the gardens are blooming, are they not? So tickets were maybe six months in advance.
ReplyDelete@StrangeNoise
ReplyDeleteMy own thinking is less 'future Earth' and more 'alternate Earth.' I seen no reason to shorten the years, as I think it cheapens the timescales involved. I give the show massive props for being willing to talk about millennium-long stretches of time. It makes the series feel more epic.
Hmm... I could see many of the not all that related episodes being in an order like this, but I can't wrap my head around the Gala not being last.
ReplyDelete@D. Shadows
ReplyDelete"Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy are a year old in Party of One. fluttershy's party isnt seen"
*......facepalm* I can't believe people take that so seriously...Please, describe me the logic behind you interpretting "a year older than you" to mean "We share the EXACT same birthday but im a year older" and nothing else. Maybe when you do, I can finally understand how people like you come to such senseless conclusions.
Not sure I agree with 'Green Isn't Your Color' coming after 'Suited For Success'. The only evidence for is a prop that's used pretty generically.Meanwhile, Photo Finish demanded Fluttershy wear something inspired by...ZE NATURE. Something like, oh I dunno, her Gala Gown? Which was supposedly on the aforementioned rack? Yet Rarity kicks the rack away and sheepishly asks for a moment to throw something together... Also, Rarity's fashion show was kind of a big deal, even if it was a flop. Yet by GIYC Bon-Bon has aparenlty never heard of her. Putting GIYC approxamately around Dog and Pony Show breaks down here too; while Sapphire Shores knowing Rarity while random fashion fanponies do not isn't unimaginable, it doesn't feel quite right.
ReplyDeleteWell as Lauren faust said the ponies Control the weather them selves that's why winter came before fall doesn't make sense but that's how it works in Equestria so I won't base any time on the seasons :\
ReplyDelete@Ihaveanamebecause?
ReplyDelete"The Cutie Mark Crusaders are seen cowering together in the first episode, therefore that episode came after call of the cutie"
*golfclap*
I'd advise agains't sacrificing common sense in order to try and come off as a smartass. In doing so, the lack of your common sense diminishes your feeling of sudden intellect anyway.
@Tulip Chainsaw
ReplyDeleteI believe Lauren Faust confirmed that they're not aired in chronological order.
Its entirely possible that some episodes from season 2 will actually only make sense if they tookmplace between the beginning and the end of season 1. Not all, but certainly some. I.e if they want an episode where we as the viewers experience the 'coming of winter' in Ponyville for the first time with Twilight and Spike, the writer will want that scenario where Twilight will be asking the questions for us (similar to winter-wrap up). Therefore such an episode would have to take place between beg and end of season 1.
ReplyDelete@anonymous
ReplyDeleteI don't know why you are face palming, Fluttershy is more than a year older than Pinkie that said her Birthday obviously comes before Pinkies in the year if she is far older than her.
Interesting project, does make you think as personally I believe Sonic Rainboom came after Chronicles because of statements made in each episode.
ReplyDeleteIf you're actually going to try and figure it out with logic, word of advice, Pinkie Pie cannot be used as a factual source. She is a unreliable narrator in the series, "And that's how Equestria was made."
I WAS SO GOING TO DO THIS. DUDE STOLE MY IDEA THAT I WAS TOO LAZY TO START ON.
ReplyDelete...well, I'm glad somebody got around to it, in any case. Although I have to point this out: if you watch the opening scene of "Griffon the Brush-Off", everything in Pinkie's story about Dash matches up almost perfectly with how Dash's second Sonic Rainboom played out. Could be a coincidence...but could also just be a really cool bit of foreshadowing that we all missed.
@Jetfire
ReplyDeleteTotally works too, though I can hear dr whooves being pressed to explain it as, "no, not really a *parallel* universe, as such. It's definitely going off at a bit of a tangent... In fact let's just admit that geometry isn't really going to help us with this one."
It's just I filled my head with thinking of a Planet of the Ponies sort of story idea. Just the basic premise: the ponies are just too nice for the whole plot to play out and there aren't any devolved humans around anyway.
Rarity mentions the stare in the beginning of Stare Master.
ReplyDeleteThat could 1. be a reference out of the blue, or 2: be a reference to fluttershy actually using The Stare in Dragonshy.
I think it's more likely that she's referencing Dragonshy as the first use of the Stare we see, which places Dragonshy before Stare Master.
@Aquaman52
ReplyDeleteI'll post this one more time (transcript from the episode):
Pinkie Pie: Hoof-biting action overload! She was like a stunt superstar, flying higher and higher, and then Rainbow Dash swooped down--swoosh--and right before she hit the ground--shoom-she pulled up--rrrmmm!
Twilight Sparkle: Uh-huh.
Pinkie Pie: And then she looped around and around like fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom fwoom.
Twilight Sparkle: Uh-huh.
Where in this dialog is there anything that indicates that this is the sonic rainboom and not just a regular stunt.
Sorry if I sound mad, I'm just tired. ^^
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteIn "Sonic Rainboom", she started off what she intended to be an intentional trick by flying up insanely high to get the distance she needed to perform the stunt. Then, after Rarity feel, she pulled into a dive ("swooping" down towards the ground) and actually performed the Sonic Rainboom before pulling up right before she hit the ground. She followed that up with a massive loop back up to and over the stadium. All of which matches up with the scene from "Sonic Rainboom", the episode.
It's not perfect, but it would defeat the purpose of sneaky foreshadowing if they made it explicitly clear that Pinkie was talking about the Sonic Rainboom. I'm just saying I saw a video that pointed out the similarities, and I like to believe there's something to that.
I'm still saying that we cannot be locked into 1 year. If S2 has more winter/fall episodes, they might factor into the first year and make the timeline work out a bit better. Anyways, I know exactly where Boast Busters lies.
ReplyDeleteBoast Busters takes place right after The Ticket Master and right before Applebuck Season, since Twilight seems to be enjoying the novelty of using magic around her friends in that episode. She teleports for no reason and picks half the orchard at once telekinetically, but every other episode has her using magic modestly.
At the same time, Boast Busters has Twilight believe that her friends will hate her if she shows off her magic like Trixie. She tries not to pot Trixie in her place because she remembers how her friends confronted her during The Ticket Master and wants to avoid it.
I wonder how he's going to explain the fact Pinkie was describing the events of Sonic Rainboom during Griffon the Brush Off.
ReplyDeleteThe most obvious and most truthful answer of course is that she can bend space-time.
Great timeline, but I would actually place Owls Well after Best Night ever. Maybe even after Fall Weather Friends. It is called "Evergreen" Forest after all. And the CMCs wear capes, so there may be a chill in the air. And the green dragon is in his cave, so he may be preparing to bed down for the winter.
ReplyDeleteI think Griffon the Brush off is after Sonic Rainboom, since Pinkie was describing the event of Sonic Rainboom at the beginning of GtBO.
ReplyDeletewhich makes sense that Gilda would come visit after hearing about RD winning best young flyer.
We were doing this the whole series on All Spark, and the resident layout artist from the show pretty much vetoed everything about the gala dresses as just reusing existing props.
ReplyDeleteWe also determined the GGG to be in spring and assume Party of One is in the tail-end of spring as Rarity mentions a party for spring beginning, which we would assume comes after Winter Wrap-up as no Pony would have time to go to a party if they had to wrap-up winter still.
Also, whoever said it, it's called the 'Everfree Forest', not green.
@TM2 Dinobot
ReplyDeleteIt's called 'Everfree Forest.' Not Evergeen. No worries, took me a trip to the MLP Wikia to realize I was incorrectly calling it the same thing myself.
I tried to do this a few months ago, and i got yelled at. /co/ is assholes.
ReplyDeleteUnless I'm mistaken, I think I just found a fault.
ReplyDeleteApplebuck season is the time that all farm ponies harvest their apples.
Now, in Over a Barrel, Braeburn states, and I quote, "First harvest should be any day now."
Normally, you could say that Over a Barrel could go before Applebuck Season and it would be all good, but Twilight didn't know what Applebuck Season was before that episode.
So basically, either there's a fault in the timeline, or a full year passes inbetween Applebuck Season and Over a Barrel, which would totally misconstrue the whole entire timeline anyways.
I think my math is correct, but somepony else check my logic to see if it works.
@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDeleteYour math seems right, but I think it's important that Braeburn calls it "harvest season" and not "applebuck season". I've been a suburbs kid all my life, and even I know what harvest season is...and seeing as I don't recall Twilight really reacting to that line when he said it, she might just not have thought anything of the one-off reference, and gotten the juicy details when she was with Applejack in "Applebuck Season".
I actually have a different reason for thinking that episode comes later: when Rainbow Dash is awake on the train, the first pony she tries to talk to is Pinkie Pie, whom she apparently is kind of annoyed by until "Griffon the Brush-Off". To me, that implies that "Over a Barrel" comes after "Griffon the Brush-Off".
Of course, that also sort of implies that the creators really didn't think about continuity when they wrote these episodes and this whole venture is a wild goose chase. But a fun one, nonetheless. XD
@Aquaman52
ReplyDeleteYou do have a point. He did only ever say "harvest".
That also implies that all of this makes sense, which most of it doesn't. Oh well, it is pretty fun.
@Aquaman52
ReplyDelete> Of course, that also sort of implies that the creators really didn't think about continuity when they wrote these episodes and this whole venture is a wild goose chase. But a fun one, nonetheless. XD
This, right here, is probably the most accurate statement in this entire comment thread.
(It is kinda fun to try and connect the dots, even when those dots were never meant to be connected)
Question:
ReplyDeleteWasn't a background pony in "Swarm of the Century" wearing one of Rarity's Winter Wrap Up vests?
For the most part, this is excellent, but I have to point out a few assumptions that were made that could be wrong;
ReplyDelete1) Just because owlowiscious doesn’t show up in later episodes does not mean that he appeared late in the series. One of the key points of the episode was that spike was feeling threatened by how much owlowiscious was doing. The obvious solution would be that owlowiscious would step back his help; only be making appearances when Spike is sleeping or otherwise occupied, generally only late at night.
2) Platus point about the ursa major/minors is both good and bad. Since it was late at night, there was nothing to tie down for certain if they were hibernating or just taking a normal single night snooze. Also, the idea that a bear made up of stars would have the same growth patterns as a grizzly are a little much of a stretch.
3) Sonic Rainboom likely comes AFTER the cutie mark chronicles, when the ponies say that they haven’t seen a sonic rainboom before, they likely mean that they haven’t seen it actually initiated. As fillies getting their cutie marks, they’ve only witnessed the outside edges of the shock and have never actually witnessed the source of the rainboom itself.
4) while it doesn’t nail it down much, Party of One is almost certainly after Griffon the Brushoff. Up until then Rainbow dash didn’t think much of Pinkie and likely wouldn’t have been the prime candidate to go alone to bring Pinkie to her surprise party.
5) Boast Busters HAS to come earlier than whatever episode you see Twilight using her magic openly, otherwise there would be no reason for her to be so concerned about how people would react to her using magic, which is what she initially thought they were complaining about Trixie over.
6) I’m more inclined to believe that Dog and Pony Show actually comes immediately after Suited for success and before Stare Master. Sapphire Shores specifically mentions her as an “up and coming” fashion designer, and that “Clotheshorse” (magazine?) raved about her, which was likely Hoity Toity’s review. Sapphire shores gives the impression of being a trend-setter, or at least viewing herself as such, so she likely puts a lot of stock in being ahead of the trend, and not following it. I’d place heavy odds that it is actually Sapphire Shores that sets off the flood of orders for rarity to fill rather than Hoity Toity alone.
7) Show Stoppers is absolutely correct where it is currently placed after Stare Master. In Stare Master the older ponies apparently felt that the CMC required fairly constant supervision, but in Show Stoppers, they were basically left to their own devices once they got the clubhouse.
Another interesting note is that Applebloom wasn’t even able to fix a simple table in Stare Master, yet suddenly becomes an accomplished carpenter by Show stoppers, in which she effectively rebuilds the entire run-down clubhouse all by herself.
someone also brought up the issue that the CMC were huddled together in episode 1, which seems to conflict with the much more strongly established fact that it is the very first day Twilight has ever been in the town.
This can easily be addressed by recognizing 2 simple things; just because they are huddled together doesn't mean they actually know each other, and even if they know each other, it's early enough in the year that most ponies their age likely don't have cutie marks, so there is no significance to how they know each other, and likely only are acquaintances at best during episode 1.
Wow. Okay, my comment was, "In part 2 of the pilot episode, the CMC were together (hiding from NMM). While that could be a coincedence, that still places some confusion on Call of the Cutie."
ReplyDeleteBut considering the huge amount of comments here, I'm sure someone else pointed this out before me.
Anyway, this is actually really cool. Seeing these in order like this puts the show in a more "daily lives" perspective for me, rather than as episodes, if that makes any sense. Kudos to RusselH!
Also, for the comment that keeps cropping up of how Pinkie is describing events from Sonic Rainboom way back during Griffon the Brushoff, the explanation is pretty simple; She's not.
ReplyDelete"rainbow dash flew higher and higher, she dove, then right before she hit the ground, she pulled up, then looped around all over the place" There was no mention of saving rarity or winning the contest or anything of that nature, so this was just describing one of the MANY various stunts that Rainbow Dash practices in her spare time.
@Grey Acumen
ReplyDeleteI don't think #3 is correct. In Sonic Rainboom, Twilight questions what it is, where she gets a reply of "You really need to get out more," from Pinkie. In CMC, however, she knows exactly what a Sonic Rainboom is. Putting Sonic Rainboom after CMC wouldn't make much sense information wise.
The last episode is Swarm of the Century; The Season 2 Premiere will show the ponies rebuilding Ponyville.
ReplyDelete@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDeleteI missed that line, in which case I'm totally wrong on 3.
I feel like Boast Busters should be second, since Twilight is still shy about her new friends and doesn't want to show off. And since no one seems to know about her awesome abilities suggests thy dont know her well yet.
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ReplyDeleteEverfree Gorn-fest
Ay ay ay. Feeling Pinkie Keen, and I quote from Applejack, "Those of us who've been in Ponyville awhile." That means that Twilight hasn't been there for long, which means that she's still a pretty new resident. Dragonshy comes before Feeling Pinkie Keen, to keep time with "Hop, Skip, and a Jump." So that means that this is pretty new as well. Where would it go though?
ReplyDelete@Grey Acumen
ReplyDeleteBut, as I said earlier, explicitly mentioning the Sonic Rainboom would've defeated the purpose of putting in the sneaky foreshadowing, which I like to think (based on their known tendency to sneak in stuff for the older viewers) the writers of the show are smart enough to have done.
It's one of those "Damn, wouldn't that be cool" things that's unprovable in both directions. Trying to decide its validity would be like trying to tell each other which invisible bearded deity to believe in. XP
@Grey Acumen
ReplyDeleteThat's what I think. It seems more like very slight foreshadowing to Sonic Rainboom. Maybe Pinkie saw Dash practicing her Rainboom.
Personally, I think Griffon came before Rainboom. Pinkie is just too vague, and there's little things that make it seem like it came earlier.
I don't think Pinkie Pie was describing the Sonic Rainboom, but even if she were you can't use anything Pinkie SAYS to indicate any sort of chronology. For example, in Owl's Well That Ends Well Pinkie says this: "Little Spikey-wikey! Who knew that big ferocious dragon started off so cutesy-wootsy!"
ReplyDeleteThe only time we've seen Spike as an adult was briefly after his hatching (due to Twilight's out of control powers), and she couldn't have been there. As weird as it sounds, it's more likely she's speaking -in the past tense, mind you- about a future version of Spike, possibly thousands of years older than the baby dragon we know.
Other weirdness: in passing she's mentioned "and that's how Equestria was made!" as if she were there (Cutie Mark Chronicles), she knew how to stop the parasprites as if she'd dealt with them before (Swarm of the Century), and she can predict small events in the very near future (Feeling Pinkie Keen).
This obviously shows that she's not on the same page as the rest of the world in terms of temporal linearity.
@Vermillion Twilight
ReplyDeleteConclusions to be taken from this exercise:
• Friendship is magic.
• Time is relative, not fixed.
• There is a God, and She is Pink.
@Vermillion Twilight
ReplyDeleteI disagree with the Dragon thing. What she was referring to was that dragons get "big and ferocious", but Spike, now a baby dragon, is starting off "Cutesy-wootesy."
Everything else I agree with though.
Funny, I was just thinking about how to determine the show's chronological order.
ReplyDeleteI'll give it a read-through when I get back home from work ^^
So many comments ACKACKACKACK
ReplyDeleteI've just read them all and now I need a strong cup of tea. But let it be known that you're doing a great job!
I wish my deviantArt page wasn't broken, because folks keep telling me the same thing over and over and oooooverrrrrr
For the record, I don't believe anything Pinkie says can be taken as evidence. That, and the fact they act like more of a cohesive friendship group in "Sonic Rainboom" (and they ask for Twilight's magic, which she was scared to use as early as "Boast Busters"), still places "Griffon the Brush Off" beforehand.
Man I've got my work cut out for me.
@The Last Gherkin
ReplyDeleteJust say that you think Pinkie is, at least subconsciously, psychic. It explains the Pinkie sense perfectly, and you can claim that the beginning of 'Griffon the Brush-Off' was her describing a dream to Twilight.
@Aquaman52
ReplyDeleteYou do know that episode 1-7 (Griffon the Brush Off is number 5) were finished BEFORE the show aired? It's not possible for there to be any references in the first episodes, atleast not with bronies in mind.
Pinkie is just describing a regular stunt, Dash doesn't do a loop in Sonic Rainboom either, she flies in a semi-circle. And Pinkie said she did two in her description.
People really like to read WAY to freaking much into what Pinky says. It's like people who get tricked by fake fortune tellers; "Something horrible happened to someone you know!" "OMG you're right! I saw my barber last month, and he had stubbed his toe on the chair just as I was leaving! How did you KNOW!?"
ReplyDeletePinky was not describing Sonic Rainboom, specifically, she mentions that after pulling up at the lst minute, she went "shoom shoom shoom all over" doing a single arc over the contest clouds area before landing to deliver everyone hardly qualifies for that type of description, she was plain and simply describing a generic trick Rainbow Dash was doing, which involved diving towards the ground and pulling up just barely in time to keep from hitting the ground. It's pretty standard for Rainbow Dash.
She was not making specific predictions about Spike's future, she was making a generalization about dragons, which she has obviously seen back in Dragonshy (but could have seen even before then) and could tell that they are big and scary from experience, and was comparing them to Spike's present state of being cute.
She was not demonstrating an omniscient non-linear timeline knowledge when she mentioned how equestria was made, but could have easily been reciting (with her own little bits of flair added) something she had read or a legend that had been passed down to her that anyone COULD know but most don't. All that particular scene was demonstrating was that it's ironic that most people tune out her babble because she often has very keen insights and knowledge that you could have learned had you been listening.
It's obvious she has some sort of teleportation ability, likely limited to places where her friends are, or possibly even limited to those specific ponies who possess the elements of harmony and may be an ability tied to her possessing an element of harmony (I can't recall any specific scenes in the first 2 episodes where she is dong any obvious teleportation) and of course she also has her Pinky sense that gives her various insights to specific kinds of events (I REALLY hope that season 2 is aware of any events that pinky should detect and include her prediction of them, provided she's in the scene where it happens) but ultimately there is nothing that actually points to her having this type of non-linearity that fans seem to want to credit her with as if she's some sort of earth goddess living in a pony shell.
Guys, just so you know, it's word of Faust that Winter Wrap-Up is AFTER Fall Weather Friends. They simply thought of Winter Wrap-Up first.
ReplyDelete@Grey Acumen
ReplyDeleteAs the final nail in the "Pinkie describing the Rainboom" coffin, Rainbow only does one arc over the stadium, not even a loop. She then immediately puts down the Wonderbolts and hooves off Rarity to the other pegasi.
in Feeling pinkie keen spike describes rarity as a "total knockout", whereas in green isnt your color its meant to be a secret. Perhaps spikes attitude to rarity can be used
ReplyDelete@Andre' Maujean
ReplyDeleteActually he says that in episode 25, Party of One, when he is interrogated by Pinkie, which is after Green isn't your color"
@Shadowdemon137
ReplyDeleteI went back to the original episode to review the scene again, and it did sound like she used the word "dragon", which either means she meant Spike specifically, or it was a production error.
So I whipped out the headphones to get a clearer listen, and I believe you're right. Due to a run-on between the word "dragons" and "started", it sounded like "Who knew that dragon [singular] started off so.." instead of "Who knew that dragons [plural] started off so..."
Oh well, fun was had for awhile. This is what happens when the errant missile of rampant speculation violently impacts an unforgiving wall of compulsive over analysis
I feel unclean now.
@Themasterofb
ReplyDeleteFaust said that the production air dates ARE the order she meant to show the show. But I like the idea of Brony Science analyzing a new, logic-inspired chronology as well.
I just hope they make it into a suitable .pdf format and publish the work via EQ when they're done.
Long live Brony Science.
Because it's always good to cite one's sources, I looked up the "word of Faust" that's been referenced a couple times:
ReplyDelete"The episodes are currently airing in production order.
I really have no excuse for what people may consider to be a confusing timeline except that we're making these shows pretty darn fast, and if we're not about to throw out a good premise and replace it with a "meh" one because of it may seem out of order.
It may make more sense for everyone to imagine that episodes like Fall Weather Friends in 'reality' happened before Winter Wrap Up. The logic on our end was that we needed to inform the audience of the world dynamics (that the ponies control the weather) early in the season. If we didn't have the more solid explanation in WWU first, FWF may have been more confusing, or we would have had to waste a lot of time in FWF explaining that stuff."
Take from that what you will.
(From here: http://archive.no-ip.org/co/thread/23295609#p23297363)
Note that in Party Of One: Spike says that he is 'Loving the Summer-Spring weather' im not sure if this was a figure of speech but that could pretty much mean what it says.
ReplyDelete@Grey Acumen Nayuki, resident show layout artist on All Spark, has stepped forward and admitted that was a mistake on his behalf.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't know that they hadn't even met in episode two, and there-for clustered Apple Bloom with the CMC instead of some generic fillies or alone. It was accidental foreshadowing.
@Luna: Ironically, having the CMC clustered in the pilot still works, because of the Cutie Mark Chronicles "moral" about best friends being destined to come together.
ReplyDeleteThis is a mite more confusing than the DMC series timeline, so I'd rather just pretend I watched the entire series in order.
ReplyDeletethis hurts my brain.
ReplyDeletewibbly wobbly, timey wimey.